Thank you Sarah! <3 It really does. I hate seeing so many female characters get bashed just because people think they aren't "strong". Zelda is plenty strong. She just shows it in a different way.
I love the colors too. I don't even remember how I got those anymore as I made the layout months ago, back when I first started on the shrine lol. I got a lot of new fonts when I switched to Dad's old computer and I had to use it. I really like it. :D
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Looks great, Crystal! I have some suggestions but knowing all the different Zelda games I could see how this would be really huge! I can see you wanted to keep it to the core of Zelda but there were some things that I was pondering:
One thing that I would like to see is maybe an essay for each Zelda in each game. (Crazy, right?) But I think that might be really cool to see how different she is and her role in each game. She kind of drives the story in every game. I'd also think it would be really neat to talk about Hilda somewhere in there. She isn't *quite* an alter-ego but she is Zelda's Lorule counterpart and I think that would be neat to talk about the contrast of the two.
And of course there is always Zelda from the wonderful (/sarcastic) Legend of Zelda cartoon. That would be interesting to highlight too as she is generally the more capable one.
In relationships, or something like it, I think it would also be interesting to talk about her and Ganon/Ganondorf. Especially in Ocarina of Time when she was familiar with Ganondorf visiting her father in Hyrule Castle. And there respective roles in each game and heroine/villain. What drives him in capture her? What stops her from preventing it or breaking free? Or even more interesting, the dynamic between the trio (Link, Ganon, Zelda).
Just my thoughts. Really enjoyed reading through it. Again, looks lovely! Great job :)
One thing that I would like to see is maybe an essay for each Zelda in each game. (Crazy, right?) But I think that might be really cool to see how different she is and her role in each game. She kind of drives the story in every game. I'd also think it would be really neat to talk about Hilda somewhere in there. She isn't *quite* an alter-ego but she is Zelda's Lorule counterpart and I think that would be neat to talk about the contrast of the two.
And of course there is always Zelda from the wonderful (/sarcastic) Legend of Zelda cartoon. That would be interesting to highlight too as she is generally the more capable one.
In relationships, or something like it, I think it would also be interesting to talk about her and Ganon/Ganondorf. Especially in Ocarina of Time when she was familiar with Ganondorf visiting her father in Hyrule Castle. And there respective roles in each game and heroine/villain. What drives him in capture her? What stops her from preventing it or breaking free? Or even more interesting, the dynamic between the trio (Link, Ganon, Zelda).
Just my thoughts. Really enjoyed reading through it. Again, looks lovely! Great job :)
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I've thought about talking about her roles in each of the games but it just felt too huge and intimidating (that page actually became the favorites page), plus I have not played every single game (writing about Hylia was tough enough because I've never played Skyward Sword). It is something to consider for the evolution page when I get around to it though.
I wanted to keep the shrine specifically tied around the video games and manga just because those are what I'm most familiar with. I have no current intention of covering anything from the cartoons. It is something to consider for the future though if I decide I want to ('d have to find them first).
I'm not sure why I didn't think about adding her relationship with Ganondorf or something with Hilda. Those are definitely something I should add to the site. I also thought about adding her relationship with Midna just because I found it interesting.
Thanks Destinie! :D
I wanted to keep the shrine specifically tied around the video games and manga just because those are what I'm most familiar with. I have no current intention of covering anything from the cartoons. It is something to consider for the future though if I decide I want to ('d have to find them first).
I'm not sure why I didn't think about adding her relationship with Ganondorf or something with Hilda. Those are definitely something I should add to the site. I also thought about adding her relationship with Midna just because I found it interesting.
Thanks Destinie! :D
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Sure, Crystal. ^_^
I like the idea about also adding the bit about her and Midna, I think that would be interesting. I thought that their interaction in the game, though short, was kind of powerful. Now it makes me want to play it again even though it didn't grab my attention as much as some of the other games in the series.
And I can understand you purposefully leaving out the cartoon incarnation because wow. That was a special time.
I like the idea about also adding the bit about her and Midna, I think that would be interesting. I thought that their interaction in the game, though short, was kind of powerful. Now it makes me want to play it again even though it didn't grab my attention as much as some of the other games in the series.
And I can understand you purposefully leaving out the cartoon incarnation because wow. That was a special time.
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Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. There is something special about Zelda and Midna. I think it would be fun to write something about the two of them.
Yeah I've heard nothing but bad stuff about the cartoon and what I've seen wasn't that great either lol.
Yeah I've heard nothing but bad stuff about the cartoon and what I've seen wasn't that great either lol.
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The cartoon is silly (and I have a hard time sitting through it due to what they did to Link omg why they do this) but I think how Zelda is portrayed in it is interesting. They made her more of a central focus and less of damsel in distress at times. She has more abilities and spends her time trying to actually keep Link focused on being a hero. It's an interesting contrast.
Maybe the rumored Netflix series will do them actual justice?!?!?!
Maybe the rumored Netflix series will do them actual justice?!?!?!
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That actually sounds interesting. The reason why I didn't want to watch it was because of Link. xD
Maybe? :D I'm undecided on the live action thing but I won't pass judgement until it actually happens and I see it lol.
Maybe? :D I'm undecided on the live action thing but I won't pass judgement until it actually happens and I see it lol.
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Nice! It's cool that you made a shrine for your domain's namesake.
The defense article really stuck out to me since I know how passionate you are about Zelda. I did feel that some parts were missing though, so here are some things to think about if you want to revise the article.
In the earlier games, Zelda WAS the damsel in distress. However, the designers have gotten her more involved with the core plotline rather than have her only be the princess you save. It's true that strength doesn't always mean physical power, and Zelda's wisdom is one of her biggest selling points. HOWEVER an issue is that it's utterly cliche and stereotypical. If there's a character that's strong physically it's always a man, and the emotionally strong one has to be the woman. It circles on traditional gender roles too much and there's no variety. That's partially why some people feel Zelda's role isn't varied.
A big trap with these defense articles is that people tend to be so defensive of what they like that they ignore stuff that they personally disagree with or find problematic (i.e. racist depictions). People tend to take the black-or-white route and get so caught up in trying to win and justify themselves when they don't need to. So, make sure you avoid that! If (and I'm saying IF) there is a facet or portrayal of Zelda you personally thought could have been handled better, it's okay to feel that way without thinking like, "Oh, I'm not a loyal fan and I hate her."
The defense article really stuck out to me since I know how passionate you are about Zelda. I did feel that some parts were missing though, so here are some things to think about if you want to revise the article.
In the earlier games, Zelda WAS the damsel in distress. However, the designers have gotten her more involved with the core plotline rather than have her only be the princess you save. It's true that strength doesn't always mean physical power, and Zelda's wisdom is one of her biggest selling points. HOWEVER an issue is that it's utterly cliche and stereotypical. If there's a character that's strong physically it's always a man, and the emotionally strong one has to be the woman. It circles on traditional gender roles too much and there's no variety. That's partially why some people feel Zelda's role isn't varied.
A big trap with these defense articles is that people tend to be so defensive of what they like that they ignore stuff that they personally disagree with or find problematic (i.e. racist depictions). People tend to take the black-or-white route and get so caught up in trying to win and justify themselves when they don't need to. So, make sure you avoid that! If (and I'm saying IF) there is a facet or portrayal of Zelda you personally thought could have been handled better, it's okay to feel that way without thinking like, "Oh, I'm not a loyal fan and I hate her."
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Very good points. I am going to have to remember them when I work on Zelda again. Thanks Momo!
The damsel in distress thing makes sense. The cliche part I actually didn't know about. It was always something I admired in any character so it never occurred to me at all. I am going to have to mention that in the article somewhere.
I'm hoping I don't come across like that in my article. I wanted to state why I think she shouldn't be hated but not as a be all thing or whatever (if that makes sense). I know people don't all have the same opinions so I want to get what I think out. I can't think of a Zelda I have a problem with but it's a good thing to keep in mind anyway.
The damsel in distress thing makes sense. The cliche part I actually didn't know about. It was always something I admired in any character so it never occurred to me at all. I am going to have to mention that in the article somewhere.
I'm hoping I don't come across like that in my article. I wanted to state why I think she shouldn't be hated but not as a be all thing or whatever (if that makes sense). I know people don't all have the same opinions so I want to get what I think out. I can't think of a Zelda I have a problem with but it's a good thing to keep in mind anyway.