We're just going to have to agree to disagree. You're set on placing a huge amount of blame on one little girl and insisting she should have known better, and I stand firm in believing that more than one person held the blame for the course of events. And I still stand on my view that there are different forms of strength, and not all of them involve fighting (sword or no sword).
And I just want to add that the reason Loras might have been "rude" is because
As for Tywin, he pretty was pretty specific about how now that